>> tamerlan is -- >> t is the aunt. >> smart boy. seemingly did not find himself yet in america, because it is not easy. my younger brother ruslan, he had high expectation of him. because he knew he was smart. he knew he could use his potential, but, you know, and then when he found out that he dropped out of university, that was ruslan was desperate because he always demands more of his children, of his nephews, especially tamerlan, his favorite, so as i said, he's smart guy. >> can you tell us about when they came to the united states, where they had been living before that? >> i brought them here. i was in the states, going through my paperwork. >> when was that? >> that was 2001. so then in 2002 my older brother came to the states, that's when i find out his paperwork, myself, for the refugee protection claim. >> your older brother -- >> older brother. no. then in april of 2002, boy's father, his wife and little dzhokhar, came to the states. that's when i filed a petition for their refugee status. because back home he worked as -